My neighbours went for the GP and came back rather dissapointed. I wanted to go for it too, but – who wants to believe a girl wants to go for a GP, so my requests are never taken seriously!! :-S !! hehhe.. but this time it looked like a big popat. Catch you there next year DW 😀
As a race fan, yes it was disappointing to see only 6 cars instead of 20. But as a Schumacher fan, i was absolutely thrilled. The way barrichello and he gunned at first spot was quite enchanting. As far as next year goes, let me know in time and we will plan the whole thing out. It will be a good thing to meet up!
Read the post properly dude.. I never said FIA was at fault. Michelin could not make good enough tires,it was completely their fault. Michelin has even apologised and offered refunds to spectators. What I said was that the FIA should rethink their policies. When 14 out of 20 drivers were pulling out; in the spirit of the game, couldn’t they have considered some of suggestions ? Do you seriously expect F1 drivers to run at reduced speed ? One of the other suggestions given was to use the pit lane instead of going through turn 13. Can u imagine what kind of race that would have been ? Also the FIA could have given a guarantee the teams would not be penalised for tyre changes beacuse they would have been due to genuine safety concerns or made an exception this one time. They did neither.
You are right. You never said that the FIA was at fault though throughout this comment you have indicated on how ‘they’ could make things better. I again urge you to visit http://www.f1.com and read the interview with Max Mosley and the surrounding articles. Clearly, the FIA and Indianapolis speedway was trying hard to get a race started. If the 14 cars would have to slow down for turn 13 then it would have been a race amongst those 14. And while nothing could have equalled an all out 20 car race, it would have been better then a six car walk over.
I seriously expect the driver’s to drive at lower speeds and they have been doing this through the game’s history when they have a puncture, a stressed engine, a faulty gearbox etc ..this was no different.
FIA does not have to guarantee anything. If you think the tires are unsafe, you are free to change them in the pits without any fuel addition. The issue would then be reviewed by the FIA for justifiable safe/unsafe reasons to get the car in. Again, I just read the website and realized that Michellin’s offered three very doable options to the teams but they refused them all. The teams wanted a chicane at turn 13 to slow things down.
May be you think its justifiable to punish Ferrari, Jordan and Minardi’s for bringing the right tires so that you can get a race. If you have read only Michellin’s arguement, then you must be fair in reading Max Mosley’s statement and the FIA’s chrages.
I dont have to imagine what kind of race this could have been. I was there and I know what kind of race this was. It was a race where Michellin’s screwed up by failing to taking into account the effects of banking at turn 13 on the newly configured 2005 cars and then the teams decided to call it quits since they knew that they would not make any points on the this race anyways.
Sure, Michellin might be refunding tickets and also perhaps buying us tickets for next year but as of now, the speedway has not indicated of any such thing. Is Michellin also ready to pay for my effort’s in getting to race that was about 600 miles way from where i live?
I can forgo Michellin for an engineering mistake and I respect their stand of honestly but i think the seven teams took the cake for taking part in a nonsensical warm up lap and at best teasing an unblameable crowd.
It wasn’t too bad, only if the crowd and my company could take their eyes off the beer and into the game! I just got pcitures so watch out for my baseball post!
First things first. Do you realise that your answer was about 3 times the size of my post ?
We’re basically beating around the same bush here, but I’m still gonna reply to your every point.
Firstly, I dont think a normal race was possible after the tire fiasco.
Drivers should be expected to slow down, but that will only work in individual cases. When you have 14 drivers who all need to slow down, u’ve got trouble on your hands. Atleast half of them would have ignored the speeding restrictions, which were never set anyways.
I dont think the teams would have gotten away with a tyre change without penalities. At the race review, all commentators agreed that a change of tyres would have incurred a penalty as the teams were fully aware of tyre problems before the race began. As it is, the stewards are never known to take kindly to the teams.
I agree that the chicane would have been unfair to the Bridgestone teams, but it was also the easiest solution. Tell me frankly, after all effort you put in to see the race; what would you have been happier with, a race that had a chicane on turn 13 with 20 cars or one without a chicane and 6 cars ?
I do believe that no one in the history of F1 has ever been known to be acomodating. One of the main thorns with F1 has been that the governing and commercial work has been done by two independent bodies.
Maybe you are just angry because you spent a lot of time and money to watch the race and you got nowhere close to getting your money’s worth… I am not saying your view is biased, I just think that we are seeing things from two different viewpoints.
The negotiations were going on while the cars were in the Parc Ferme, and rules specify that all cars in there must go onto the grid. This is where my point of accomodation comes up, cars cant resign from the Parc Ferme even if the the team does, they have to go retire in the pit lane. The least they could jave done was announce that the teams had resigned.
P.S. Are you familiar with Shannon’s Information Theory ? Read up, and shorten your comments. No hard feelings dude.. The race was a long time ago, move on.. Next one’s in two days, watch this one on TV.
Please go back to your first comment and count the number of questions you asked (which i thought you needed answers to). Please also note the size of your latest reply to my comment.
Also, Before you preach the art of arguements and Shannon’s Information theory, please practice it first. This would have been a great oppurtunity but sadly you failed to use it.
Step out of your rhetoric. Stop making arguements/suggestions on what you think was right but be courageous enough to take in all facts. What happened was disastrous to Formula 1 as a sport, but it was not FIA’s doing.
I apologise for mistaking you as an informed F1 fan while in reality you are just someone who wants to express an opinion and ‘move along’. I sure wish i could have used that ‘move along’ phrase in a losing debate and walked off stage.
I do thank you for introducing me to the information theory. Quite interesting.
Spirit of racing? Do you people seriously believe that something like that exists? Teams participate to make money, and to win, period. If some of them choose not to, all the better for the rest.
If Michelin screws up, you cannot expect Bridgestone-shod teams to pay the price. I wonder what woulda happened if Bridgestone had the same problems. Would 14 cars have agreed to gl slowly just because of “the spirit of racing”?
Michelin’s the only one responsible, the FIA is absolved of all sins. Happy ? Infact, I bet Michelin is also responsible for Global Warming,Terorism and the Kennedy assasination
That looks awesome dude !!!
My neighbours went for the GP and came back rather dissapointed. I wanted to go for it too, but – who wants to believe a girl wants to go for a GP, so my requests are never taken seriously!! :-S !!
hehhe.. but this time it looked like a big popat. Catch you there next year DW 😀
As a race fan, yes it was disappointing to see only 6 cars instead of 20. But as a Schumacher fan, i was absolutely thrilled. The way barrichello and he gunned at first spot was quite enchanting. As far as next year goes, let me know in time and we will plan the whole thing out. It will be a good thing to meet up!
been a while dushy….been quite a while…thank you…
pallavi
Read the post properly dude.. I never said FIA was at fault. Michelin could not make good enough tires,it was completely their fault. Michelin has even apologised and offered refunds to spectators. What I said was that the FIA should rethink their policies. When 14 out of 20 drivers were pulling out; in the spirit of the game, couldn’t they have considered some of suggestions ? Do you seriously expect F1 drivers to run at reduced speed ? One of the other suggestions given was to use the pit lane instead of going through turn 13. Can u imagine what kind of race that would have been ?
Also the FIA could have given a guarantee the teams would not be penalised for tyre changes beacuse they would have been due to genuine safety concerns or made an exception this one time. They did neither.
hmm… i think the last time u saw something for the first time was on monday… your first baseball game!!! yay–too bad it was the erie seawolves haha
hey anish
You are right. You never said that the FIA was at fault though throughout this comment you have indicated on how ‘they’ could make things better. I again urge you to visit http://www.f1.com and read the interview with Max Mosley and the surrounding articles. Clearly, the FIA and Indianapolis speedway was trying hard to get a race started. If the 14 cars would have to slow down for turn 13 then it would have been a race amongst those 14. And while nothing could have equalled an all out 20 car race, it would have been better then a six car walk over.
I seriously expect the driver’s to drive at lower speeds and they have been doing this through the game’s history when they have a puncture, a stressed engine, a faulty gearbox etc ..this was no different.
FIA does not have to guarantee anything. If you think the tires are unsafe, you are free to change them in the pits without any fuel addition. The issue would then be reviewed by the FIA for justifiable safe/unsafe reasons to get the car in. Again, I just read the website and realized that Michellin’s offered three very doable options to the teams but they refused them all. The teams wanted a chicane at turn 13 to slow things down.
May be you think its justifiable to punish Ferrari, Jordan and Minardi’s for bringing the right tires so that you can get a race. If you have read only Michellin’s arguement, then you must be fair in reading Max Mosley’s statement and the FIA’s chrages.
I dont have to imagine what kind of race this could have been. I was there and I know what kind of race this was. It was a race where Michellin’s screwed up by failing to taking into account the effects of banking at turn 13 on the newly configured 2005 cars and then the teams decided to call it quits since they knew that they would not make any points on the this race anyways.
Sure, Michellin might be refunding tickets and also perhaps buying us tickets for next year but as of now, the speedway has not indicated of any such thing. Is Michellin also ready to pay for my effort’s in getting to race that was about 600 miles way from where i live?
I can forgo Michellin for an engineering mistake and I respect their stand of honestly but i think the seven teams took the cake for taking part in a nonsensical warm up lap and at best teasing an unblameable crowd.
Shame Shame.
Aparna 😉
It wasn’t too bad, only if the crowd and my company could take their eyes off the beer and into the game! I just got pcitures so watch out for my baseball post!
First things first. Do you realise that your answer was about 3 times the size of my post ?
We’re basically beating around the same bush here, but I’m still gonna reply to your every point.
Firstly, I dont think a normal race was possible after the tire fiasco.
Drivers should be expected to slow down, but that will only work in individual cases. When you have 14 drivers who all need to slow down, u’ve got trouble on your hands. Atleast half of them would have ignored the speeding restrictions, which were never set anyways.
I dont think the teams would have gotten away with a tyre change without penalities. At the race review, all commentators agreed that a change of tyres would have incurred a penalty as the teams were fully aware of tyre problems before the race began. As it is, the stewards are never known to take kindly to the teams.
I agree that the chicane would have been unfair to the Bridgestone teams, but it was also the easiest solution. Tell me frankly, after all effort you put in to see the race; what would you have been happier with, a race that had a chicane on turn 13 with 20 cars or one without a chicane and 6 cars ?
I do believe that no one in the history of F1 has ever been known to be acomodating. One of the main thorns with F1 has been that the governing and commercial work has been done by two independent bodies.
Maybe you are just angry because you spent a lot of time and money to watch the race and you got nowhere close to getting your money’s worth… I am not saying your view is biased, I just think that we are seeing things from two different viewpoints.
The negotiations were going on while the cars were in the Parc Ferme, and rules specify that all cars in there must go onto the grid. This is where my point of accomodation comes up, cars cant resign from the Parc Ferme even if the the team does, they have to go retire in the pit lane. The least they could jave done was announce that the teams had resigned.
P.S. Are you familiar with Shannon’s Information Theory ? Read up, and shorten your comments. No hard feelings dude.. The race was a long time ago, move on.. Next one’s in two days, watch this one on TV.
Wow. This is quite interesting.
Please go back to your first comment and count the number of questions you asked (which i thought you needed answers to). Please also note the size of your latest reply to my comment.
Also, Before you preach the art of arguements and Shannon’s Information theory, please practice it first. This would have been a great oppurtunity but sadly you failed to use it.
Step out of your rhetoric. Stop making arguements/suggestions on what you think was right but be courageous enough to take in all facts. What happened was disastrous to Formula 1 as a sport, but it was not FIA’s doing.
I apologise for mistaking you as an informed F1 fan while in reality you are just someone who wants to express an opinion and ‘move along’. I sure wish i could have used that ‘move along’ phrase in a losing debate and walked off stage.
I do thank you for introducing me to the information theory. Quite interesting.
oh yes…DUDE!
Spirit of racing? Do you people seriously believe that something like that exists? Teams participate to make money, and to win, period. If some of them choose not to, all the better for the rest.
If Michelin screws up, you cannot expect Bridgestone-shod teams to pay the price. I wonder what woulda happened if Bridgestone had the same problems. Would 14 cars have agreed to gl slowly just because of “the spirit of racing”?
Jeez, what’s with ya..
Michelin’s the only one responsible, the FIA is absolved of all sins. Happy ?
Infact, I bet Michelin is also responsible for Global Warming,Terorism and the Kennedy assasination
Anish: Now that you have cleared that up, lets ‘move along’.
elmihiro: I agree completely with the second half. As far as spirit of racing goes, i am sure it exists amongst the better drivers!